Re: Hmmmm...(was CDE 942c20p15k Group buy)

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Original poster: "claude masetto" <claudmas-at-optusnet-dot-com.au> 

The DC value seems to work ok for me and a lot of other coilers.

Claude.
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Subject: Re: Hmmmm...(was CDE 942c20p15k Group buy)


 > Original poster: Kreso Bukvic <kreso.bukvic-at-kc.htnet.hr>
 >
 > Using DC value stinks. You should use that 500 VAC value, not the 2000 VDC
 > value... ish
 >
 > Best Regards
 >
 > Kreso Bukvic
 > ----- Original Message -----
 > From: "Tesla list" <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
 > To: <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
 > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:02 AM
 > Subject: Re: Hmmmm...(was CDE 942c20p15k Group buy)
 >
 >
 >  > Original poster: Mark Broker <mbroker-at-thegeekgroup-dot-org>
 >  >
 >  > Um, you should check your math again ;)  14kVp / 7 caps = 2kV....
also,
 >  > 14kV ~ 10kV * sqrt(2)  I don't think even the most conservative TC
 > designer
 >  > out there would claim to need 25caps with a 10kV NST.  If I have
 > understood
 >  > Dr. Resonance's MMC recommendations correctly, he would use an MMC
 > designed
 >  > for 25kVDC for a 10kV NST, or only 13 caps in series....
 >  >
 >  > CDE 942C caps have been tested to withstand 5kV or more before an
internal
 >  > breakdown.  Self healing allows "many" internal breakdowns.  Terry's
tests
 >  > can be read here:
 >  > http://www.hot-streamer-dot-com/TeslaCoils/MMCInfo/GeekCaps/GeekCaps.htm
 >  >
 >  > Later tests had similar results.
 >  >
 >  > Terry, as well as several others with far more experience than I, have
 >  > "signed off" on the MMC design chart on our site.  And it seems to work
as
 >  > almost no one with an MMC designed by our chart, built by our guide,
 > hooked
 >  > up to a competently built TC, and run by a competent operator has had a
 >  > failure.
 >  >
 >  > In the end the MMC debate, like the Linux vs. Windows or Mac vs PC, is
 > just
 >  > another dichotomy - some people like them, some people don't.
 >  >
 >  > And why do I feel like I'm talking to the wind? :o)  I'm talking, but
it
 >  > seems no one is listening...  or at least the intended party isn't.  Oh
 >  > well. <insert rolling eyes smilie here>
 >  >
 >  > Regards,
 >  >
 >  > Mark Broker
 >  > Chief Engineer, The Geek Group
 >  >
 >  >
 >  > On Mon, 17 May 2004 18:52:40 -0600, Tesla list <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
wrote:
 >  >
 >  > >Original poster: Kreso Bukvic <kreso.bukvic-at-kc.htnet.hr>
 >  > >Nothing big, just standard small, medium, big coils. As i stated
 >  > >"recomended" caps for CD ( by the chart ) is b*****it. They will
maybe,
 > just
 >  > >maybe last a minute or two. If i would build a MMC for a 10 kV NST i
 > would
 >  > >put attleast 25 caps in series. Not 7 like GG recomended.
 >  > >
 >  > >7 caps. 3.5 kV ac on 14 kv PEAK AC. ISH.
 >  > >
 >  > >Best Regards
 >  > >
 >  > >Kreso Bukvic
 >  > >----- Original Message -----
 >  > >From: "Tesla list" <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
 >  > >To: <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
 >  > >Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 4:53 AM
 >  > >Subject: Re: Hmmmm...(was CDE 942c20p15k Group buy)
 >  > >
 >  > >
 >  > >  > Original poster: "Arpit Thomas" <arpit-at-inzo-dot-org>
 >  > >  >
 >  > >  > 500 dollars? what size coil are you building there?
 >  > >  >
 >  > >  > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
 >  > >  >
 >  > >  > On 15/05/2004 at 9:22 PM Tesla list wrote:
 >  > >  >
 >  > >  >  >Original poster: Kreso Bukvic <kreso.bukvic-at-kc.htnet.hr>
 >  > >  >  >
 >  > >  >  >Well Steve Vance i think you misunderstood me.
 >  > >  >  >
 >  > >  >  >I have thinked that you are the "good" guy for giving caps
without
 >  > >earning
 >  > >  >  >money,
 >  > >  >  >
 >  > >  >  >While some other take a big "provision" for selling caps( when
did
 > the
 >  > >help
 >  > >  >  >sombody ?), and i would not surely buy from them. Partyaly
because
 > i
 >  > >cannot
 >  > >  >  >afford atleast 500 $ for a MMC. I just buyed 2 maxwells from
Terry
 > (
 >  > >they
 >  > >  >  >arrived yesterday) for 100 $. I would like to see what can beat
 > that.
 >  > >And
 >  > >  >  >maxwells are cute:-).
 >  > >  >  >
 >  > >  >  >Best Regards
 >  > >  >  >
 >  > >  >  >Kreso Bukvic
 >  > >  >  >----- Original Message -----
 >  > >  >  >From: "Tesla list" <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
 >  > >  >  >To: <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
 >  > >  >  >Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 5:11 PM
 >  > >  >  >Subject: Hmmmm...(was CDE 942c20p15k Group buy)
 >  > >  >  >
 >  > >  >  >
 >  > >  >  > > Original poster: "steve" <steve_vance-at-cablelynx-dot-com>
 >  > >  >  > >
 >  > >  >  > > Hmmm...
 >  > >  >  > >
 >  > >  >  > > Unless I have misunderstood some of the emails it would seem
 > like I'm
 >  > >  >  >taking
 >  > >  >  > > some heat because of the cap group buy offer. As I said in my
 > last
 >  > >  >  >post, I
 >  > >  >  > > wasn't trying to encroach on the GG territory. I just found a
 > way to
 >  > >get
 >  > >  >  >the
 >  > >  >  > > caps I need at a discount and, make the same offer to others
at
 > the
 >  > >same
 >  > >  >  > > time. Heck, everyone likes to save money. In the process it
 > seems
 >  > >that I
 >  > >  >  >may
 >  > >  >  > > have alienated myself from the TCML and, apparently hurt some
 >  > >feelings.
 >  > >  >  >This
 >  > >  >  > > was not my intention. This is a one shot deal. I can assure
 > everyone
 >  > >  >  >that
 >  > >  >  >I
 >  > >  >  > > do not want to take over the MMC business. I wasn't implying
 > that the
 >  > >GG
 >  > >  >  >was
 >  > >  >  > > ripping anybody off or that they weren't a good source to buy
 > caps
 >  > >from.
 >  > >msnip...
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