RE: MMC or Maxwell? Which is better? -- MMC tends to be better for the amateur.

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Original poster: Terry Fritz <teslalist-at-twfpowerelectronics-dot-com>

:-)))))))

A lot of the first MMCs went to replacing blown commercial caps!!!  People 
were buying "hundreds" at a time!!  Not for that 9kv 30 coil, but for big 
pig systems... I thought that big $1300 cap order would last us all forever 
:o)))  There was a big pent up demand for something to replace those 
&^$&^$^%&# commercial caps folks had just fried...  Indeed, I think the big 
coils were the first ready to "take the leap" into that new technology "no 
matter what"...   I think the first 1000 went to "four" orders...

It was kind of scarry!!  Gosh!, suppose they all crapped out!!  I "was" 
ready to eat all costs and give people their money back...  But I guess it 
worked ;-)))  I think I sent a few orders twice due to confusion.  I think 
I sent one too few caps to Finn?  I sure was happy when the Geek Group took 
that mess "away" from me :-)))

But the reported unexplained failures, in my case, is still zero...

I have not made many dents in this world, and I never forget that Reinhard 
was there way first..., but I guess the MMC thing did earn me a tiny bit in 
Tesla coiling history :-)

I wish to also mention Garry Freemyer for his help in testing.  If Garry 
could not blow a Tesla coil cap up, nobody could ;-))  I remember waiting 
to here back...  I kept checking the E-mail...  But I got the answer ;-))

http://www.pupman-dot-com/listarchives/2000/October/msg00122.html

Hehehe,  I carefully crafted that one string MMC cause I wanted to shake 
him up ;o)))

Garry also found (the hard way) the metalized vs. solid foil electrode issue!

Of course, our list owner Chip, blowing his commercial caps all over the 
roof of his house on that fateful Halloween night....

Cheers,

         Terry



At 08:48 PM 2/26/2004, you wrote:
>Terry,
>
>I'm still using the Panasonics I got from your first bulk purchase. They
>have been on coils from 5kva up to 20kva and have seen many hours of run
>time with NO decrease in performance. In fact they have been swapped in
>to troubleshoot commercial cap failures.
>
>Regards,
>Brian B.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tesla list [mailto:tesla-at-pupman-dot-com]
>Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 6:44 PM
>To: tesla-at-pupman-dot-com
>Subject: Re: MMC or Maxwell? Which is better? -- MMC tends to be better
>for the amateur.
>
>Original poster: Terry Fritz <teslalist-at-twfpowerelectronics-dot-com>
>
>Hi,
>
>They are not to replace bad ones ;-))
>
>But an interesting question?
>
>Chris -  I think I sold about 4000+ of the Panasonic caps.  Can you tell
>us
>how many of the Geek Groups caps you have sold?  To how many people?
>That
>might be a good indicator of how many coilers there really are out
>there.  I think the Tesla list here has about 1500 members.
>
>Cheers,
>
>          Terry
>
>
>At 06:51 PM 2/26/2004, you wrote:
> >If your caps last forever, why do people keep buying more?
> >
> >KEN
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Tesla list" <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
> >To: <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
> >Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 7:30 PM
> >Subject: Re: MMC or Maxwell? Which is better? -- MMC tends to be better
>for
> >the amateur.
> >
> >
> > > Original poster: Terry Fritz <teslalist-at-twfpowerelectronics-dot-com>
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I guess I should mention that MMC were designed to replace
>commercial caps
> > > that failed all the time...
> > >
> > > http://www.thegeekgroup-dot-org/projects/MMC/MMC_History.html
> > >
> > > If Commercial caps didn't fail, there would not be MMCs now...
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > >          Terry
> > >
> > >
> > > At 02:59 PM 2/26/2004, you wrote:
> > > >Kreso,
> > > >
> > > >--- Tesla list <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com> wrote:
> > > > > Original poster: Kreso Bukvic
> > > > > <kreso.bukvic-at-kc.htnet.hr>
> > > > >
> > > > > I blew a maxwell and il buy it again! The MMC will
> > > > > work good if you spend
> > > > > few thousand bucks! Overrating mmc-is bS!
> > > >
> > > >Hmmm.  I've been overrating a Terry (Panasonic) MMC
> > > >for about 5 years now of quite frequent coil use.  No
> > > >problem.  No diminished capacitance, no decreased arc
> > > >length.  I have a maxwell.  It works fine, but no
> > > >better than the MMC, in fact the longest arcs were
> > > >measured during an MMC run.
> > > >
> > > >What is your evidence for the above statement
> > > >regarding overrating MMC's?  I would like to see your
> > > >web page, and/or possibly read your coil specs.  What
> > > >about data?  Computer simulations.....arc lengths?
> > > >
> > > >Coilers on this list know to a high degree of
> > > >certainty (due to failure mode testing) that MMC's
> > > >tend to survive being pushed somewhat beyond their
> > > >ratings.  You may benefit from a little more reading
> > > >on this subject.
> > > >
> > > >-Brett
> > > >