Re: Image legality: you've got to be kidding !!??

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Original poster: Finn Hammer <f-h-at-c.dk> 

All,

I´m with Scott all the way, and I think this issue is not at all about 
pictures or anything, but about personal credibility and political ethics.

1, Chris boasts he has access to a wealth of broken caps,
2, Scott smells a fast one, and asks for verification.

In an attempt to put a lid on the whole thing, what is better than getting 
us all involved in an attack on someone else, like Kreso.

That`s what I call a dirty political move.

I read this list, or the most of it, and all I ask is that someone writing 
to it, and spending my time, is at least attempting to present something 
that can be of mutual interest.

Personally, I`ve been close to having a rash from reading the (at times) 
long winded self promoting stuff that Chris seems to have a liking for, (I 
know, it started way back with the Avalon project, question is: does it 
ever end?) unless we let him know, kindly, that he is off on a tangent.

So as I see it, Chris, Geek group, you guys have a credibility problem 
right now, and if you value your presence here on the list, you`d probably 
find your way up on that alledged attic, and dig those caps out real quick.

Or do the smart thing, the right thing, and say it as it is. We`ll 
understand.......

Cheers, Finn Hammer


Tesla list wrote:

>Original poster: "Scott Hanson" <huil888-at-surfside-dot-net>
>Chris -
>You absolutely HAVE TO BE KIDDING!!??
>Such righteous indignation about "intellectual and professional ethics"??
>"Plagiarism"?  Please give us a break!
>(People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones ....)
>"Bucket capacitors" in many forms and permutations were developed by many
>experimenters years before you first pressed your tongue against a 9 volt
>battery. Salt water filled, aluminum-foil lined, wine-bottle clustered,
>bucket-within-a-bucket, etc, etc were all done by others long ago.
>Just because the Geek Group site specifies the use of Corona beer bottles
>add no new technology, breaks no new ground, provides no improvement over
>past implementations, or introduces anything at all of value: its all been
>done before.
>Reading Kreso Bukvik's posts to the TCML over the past few months, it's
>obvious he's a young experimenter who has developed a strong interest in
>Tesla coils, and is doing his best to learn the technology and make sparks.
>Despite the language barrier, he obviously reads and understands what's
>being discussed in this forum, and is trying his best to scrape together
>materials to build coils under rather difficult conditions in his native
>Croatia. Given Nikola Tesla's Croatian origins, I'd think you'd be bending
>over backwards to assist him rather than pompously threatening some
>"international litigation".
>As far as I can tell, the ideas, concepts, materials, implementations,
>configurations, test data, etc, etc, discussed on this list are all provided
>freely for the free, universal, unencumbered benefit of all.
>If you have developed something so new, so revolutionary, so far beyond the
>current state-of-the-art, then patent it and freely pursue "plagiarists" and
>others who seek to infringe your intellectual property.
>Otherwise .....
>Scott Hanson
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tesla list" <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
>To: <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
>Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 5:52 PM
>Subject: Image legality
>
>  > Original poster: "Chris Boden" <cboden-at-thegeekgroup-dot-org>
>  >
>  >
>  > Hi All,
>  >      As many of you know, the Geek Group avidly supports the dissemination
>of
>  > scientific and technical knowledge by all legitimate means. All pictures,
>  > texts, and diagrams on our web site are published with the permission of
>the
>  > author(s) and credits are posted to the extent possible.  We usually have
>no
>  > objections to anyone copying pictures and quoting text as long as sources
>  > are cited and appropriate credit given. However, copying from our site
>  > without permission, removing credit lines, and publishing materials on
>  > another website as one's own, is intellectually and professionally
>unethical
>  > and, in the case of copyrighted materials, also illegal, even
>  > internationally.
>  >
>  > Because pursuing remedy claims internationally through the legal system is
>  > very slow, painful, and costly, we are asking the members of TCML, the
>  > largest peer-review TC group, to consider this several-year-old
>illustration
>  > from our website:
>  >    http://www.thegeekgroup-dot-org/projects/bucketcap/
>  >
>  > and compare it to this recent website:
>  > http://free-kc.htnet.hr/Kreso-Bukvic/Izrada%20VN%20kondezatora.htm
>  >
>  >     and use whatever peer pressure they may be able to exert to remedy
>this
>  > situation without our having to seek legal recourse.
>  >      While we realize that sometimes a copy of a copy of a copy of
>something
>  > may inadvertently be displayed without permission/credits However direct
>  > plagiarism with deliberate editing out of names/logos is difficult to see
>as
>  > accidental.
>  >
>  > Sincerely,
>  >
>  >
>  > The Geek Group Board
>  >
>  >