Re: That Marx-like primary idea

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Original poster: "K. C. Herrick by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <kchdlh-at-juno-dot-com>

I studied this posting and also the two citations and find I have no
comment.

Ken Herrick

On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 08:27:43 -0600 "Tesla list" <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
writes:
> Original poster: "harvey norris by way of Terry Fritz 
> <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <harvich-at-yahoo-dot-com>
> 
> 
> --- Tesla list <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com> wrote:
> > Original poster: "K. C. Herrick by way of Terry
> > Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <kchdlh-at-juno-dot-com>
> > 
> > On 9/20/02 I posted
> > http://hot-streamer-dot-com/temp/marx-pri.gif showing my
> > notion of a Marx-like primary configuration.  Since
> > then I've been
> > playing around with Newbury Technology's SiMetrix
> > simulation program &
> > have come up with
> > http://hot-streamer-dot-com/temp/marxpri1.gif,
> > http://hot-streamer-dot-com/temp/marxpri2.gif and
> > http://hot-streamer-dot-com/temp/marxpri3.gif.
> > 
> > ...pri1.gif is the schematic of a set of 4
> > capacitors that is resonated
> > at 60 Hz, in parallel, with a series inductor
> 
> Things on paper with are ideas are often fantastic,
> but it is also proper to understand how PRACTICAL, and
> how that practicality can compare to reality. In the
> REAL world, 60 hz resonant circuits are VERY
> Impractical. This is because of the fact the VERY HUGE
> CAPACITIES ARE NECESSARY FOR THE USUAL INDUCTANCES
> INVOLVED. I have worked with source resonant frequency
> possibilities for quite a while now. Very few folks
> work with them because of the associated costs of the
> inductors involved. On the teslafy Yahoo site carried
> with my sending mail, this shows the arcing made with
> two 60 henry coils made at opposing series resonances,
> made by usual bipolar means. The arc is very small
> compared to how arcs with tesla coils can be made.
> 
> When you are refering to source resonant frequency
> circuits, this is entirely different from the typical
> tesla coil circuit. Check out
> http://www.escribe-dot-com/science/freenrg/m3101.html
> Binary Resonant Arc Gap schematic
> 
> Also from 
> http://groups.yahoo-dot-com/group/teslafy/message/479
> (portions repeated concerning Marx gap idea repeated
> for everyones benefit):
> 
> It is important to realize also, this is a process of
> SOURCE FREQUENCY RESONANT ACTION: and it has little or
> nothing to do with the primary tank arcing process in
> a Tesla coil. That is simply because the currents in a
> tesla tank current ARE NOT SOURCE FREQUENCY RESONANT
> CURRENTS TO BEGIN WITH; but rather currents of
> predominantly capacitive reactance. This is not to say
> that the principle here espoused could not be adapted
> for a special tesla coil set of bipolar tank
> primaries, but this is not known simply because no one
> has yet taken the opportunity to build one that way.
> If it were built that way the best description and
> name for it would be a Marxist Arc gap, 
> based on a dual Marx bank of single ( and not multiple
> caps normally employed in Marx Bank methods of voltage
> rise) being charged in opposite polarities and then
> being discharged at the gap. Basically that idea is
> only a dual Marx bank, with each opposite capacitive 
> polarity given L quantities in series contained as the
> bipolar primaries as the total tank circuit for the
> Tesla coil. Since no one has elected to select such a
> method, I have made certain measures to test this in
> the future: using large primaries of thick aluminum 
> wire; but for now the work on making that kind of
> tesla coil system has come to a halt, with only one
> half of that primary system being completed. Work on
> tesla coils had ceased after the voltage kickback 
> that wiped out a meter in testing of the three phase
> triggered arc gap, but it will be continued when the
> second half of this large primary construction is
> completed. That meter was restored to its performance
> by finding a reset switch on the circuit board after 
> dismantling the meter casing. Thank You Radio Shack
> for including this option: which I was unaware of! Now
> there are many people who themselves have constructed
> bipolar tesla coil systems, but those coilers
> generally do not comprehend what I am driving at here,
> and no one to my knowledge has constructed such a
> system as I have described it. The confusion regarding
> this issue is so rampant among tesla coilers that even
> the esteemed Bill Wysock had replied that he had 
> built such a bipolar tesla coil system when I had
> submitted the idea to the tesla list at pupman-dot-com
> some years ago. It is simple to ask them: does your
> bipolar system employ a single capacity configuration?
> If it does you have no idea of what I am talking 
> about: for I am talking about having two distinct
> capacities, charging them in opposite polarities of
> contact, and discharging them at the gap in a dual
> Marx bank fashion: where each capacity has an 
> associated inductance in series. But enough talk of
> tesla coils as this is not the topic here at all: the
> topic from now to completion will be the demonstration
> of this new type of resonant circuit: which 
> again I am sure every knowledgable soul will declare
> to be impossible."
> 
> So there you have it, sometimes a single idea can be
> made very complicated by overlooking the obvious! Just
> because a Marx gap employs multiple capacities does
> not mean the simple adaptation to tesla coil
> configuration has to also employ multiple caps. Think
> about how the same idea would have to work when only
> two caps are employed. Hope you can be the first to
> take that idea into a reality!  
> 
> Sincerely HDN
> 
> So there you have it, anyone can do it if it is
> possible, but I see more important things on the
> agenda.
>  
> Sincerely HDN
> 
> 
> 
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