RE: Cyclotron effect

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Original poster: "by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <biomed-at-miseri.winnipeg.mb.ca>


I think that the "v", electron velocity, is not high enough to cause any
effect.  In a cyclotron the electrons are accelerated and given velocity in
a vacuum, this is required so that the electrons don't run into anything.
Also the accelerated in created by electronstatic attraction between
oppositly charged plates and sometimes confined by magnetic fields.  Now
with electrons in a current carrying conductor, a wire, the electron
movement is very little, charges just transfer from one atom/ molecule to
another and that is how current flows.  I believe streamer current
conduction would be the same, the charge would transfer from ionized gases
in the air.  Thus there is no velocity of a charged particle for a magnetic
field to infulence and cause bending, or maybe I'm wrong.

Shaun Epp


>Original poster: "Lau, Gary by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>"
>Gary.Lau-at-compaq-dot-com>

>IMHO, the mechanisms under discussion for the observed spiral streamers
may
>be making this way more complex than what is likely.

>Consider the classic ion motor - an S-shaped wire atop the top load that
>produces airflow, hence thrust, from the point of discharge.  Any detached
>streamers will also generate such airflow.  The streamer is quite likely
to
>be affected and moved by such airflow.  In most cases such movement will
be
>random and chaotic, and the thrust produced will also be chaotic.
>Occasionally we have seen stable, vertical streamers, and the thrust would
>be unidirectional.  Aerodynamic vortices are produced in the wake of
planes
>and cars.  I would be surprised if a similar effect does not occur as a
>result of ionic thrust, and such vortices could displace streamers into
the
>observed shapes.

>Gary Lau
>MA, USA

>Original poster: "Paul Nicholson by way of Terry Fritz
><twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <paul-at-abelian.demon.co.uk>

>If a beam of charged particles was launched upwards from the center
>of the toroid, they would continue straight up, unaffected by
>the B field (since beam v x B is zero).

>But at any angle from the vertical they would form themselves into
>a spiral (ish) path since v x B is now generally non-zero. If they
>emerged horizontally from the toroid, they would curve either
>upwards or downwards depending on the sign of their charge and the
>B field polarity (assuming here that E is roughly radial from the
>topload).

>Could this cyclotron mechanism also affect the path over which a
>streamer forms?  Do the electrons in the leaders see a sufficient
>v x B force to make a noticeable difference to their path?

>Can this account for the observed spiral discharges?

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