Original poster: "G by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <bog-at-cinci.rr-dot-com> Hi all, If anyone lives near cincinnati or dayton, ohio and would like a free section of 12" drain pipe for a secondary, email me. I'm tired of stepping over it :) Greg -- GeekID#-1229 http://thegeekgroup-dot-org