Original poster: "by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <VGREAT-at-aol-dot-com> Cuz they really hurt....the click between the ears is scary..like a master reset to the brain, not to mention the sore muscles afterwards.....0.022uf 25,000v CVsquared/2 The idea is for the resistor or shorting stick to discharge the cap NOT "YOU"