Original poster: "by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <Fucian-at-aol-dot-com> Hi guys, I dont have a design program and cant download one because my computer is really messing up.(Wont even defrag.) Anyway, can you guys punch this in and see what the programs say? 4.5indiam by 11in lenght secondary.PVC 28awg mag wire. Thanks, Matt