Re: MMC vs Maxwell comparison

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Original poster: "sundog by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <sundog-at-timeship-dot-net>

Hi All, John.

    The differences in performance you're seeing is most likely due to the
risetime of the Maxwell and low ESR it has over the MMC.  It's just a bit
better able to move chunky current than the MMC is. I don't think the 2nf
difference would have much to do with it, as it's only a few percent.  I
have performed this test on my own using the Panasonic MMC's, 3 Chenelec
(10kv.1uf) in series, and a 30nf35kv Maxwell.  The Maxwell and the Chenelec
caps had identical performance, and the MMC was just a notch below it.  For
NST coilers, I still vote to go MMC, as it's easy to add and remove
capacitance, and also to repair, whereas a Maxwell, you're stuck with what
you got and once it pops over, that's it.
    My $.02
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Shad (Sundog)
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"To call someone crazy just shows
you can't understand their views on Life."
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Subject: MMC vs Maxwell comparison


> Original poster: "by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>"
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>
> Hello all,
>
> I finally built an MMC using thirty RS Arcotronics 0.047uF, 1500VDC
> caps.  I used three strings, each with 10 caps, and the total combo
> measures 0.0142uF.  I placed two one-half watt 10Meg resistors in
> series across each cap.  These MMC's are reported to be the good type,
> and have the desireable polypropylene dielectric.  These are
> yellow and tubular, but I don't have the specs handy.  These are the
> type used by Richie Burnett and Alan Sharpe in England.  I believe
> that Malcolm is using the same type also.  The number on the
> package is 114-474.
>
> I did the test using my new TT-32 TC which gives 33" sparks using a
> 0.0164uF Maxwell cap, and a 9/25 NST with sync gap.  I decided to
> replace the Maxwell with a different Maxwell measuring 0.0147uF,
> to make the comparison with the MMC more comparable.  After
> retuning, this gave the same 33" spark.  I adjusted the coil to be 32"
> from the wall, and the sparks hit the wall about every 10 seconds
> or so.  Then I replaced the 0.0147uF Maxwell with the MMC, and
> tried retuning and rephasing slightly for best spark output.  It turned
> out that the same tune point and phase point seemed adequate for
> both capacitors.  I couldn't find any spark length advantage by
> changing the tuning as I switched capacitors.  I did however do the
> tests for each cap with a variety of tune and phase positions.
> The spark was similar, but was slightly weaker using the MMC,
> and hit the wall only about every 20 seconds or less.  The MMC
> got somewhat warm within a couple of minutes of intermittent run
> time.  As a verification, I re-installed the Maxwell, and the sparks
> were again stronger than the MMC sparks.  I was somewhat
> surprised that the MMC sparks were weaker, because I really
> didn't expect to be able to see any difference in spark length.
> I was also surprised by how quickly the MMC's heated up.
>
> Next, I moved the coil 1/4" closer to the wall, and this caused the
> MMC sparks to hit the wall as often as the Maxwell sparks.  This
> suggests that the Maxwell sparks are about 1/4" longer than the
> MMC sparks.  I don't know if other MMC brands would perform any
> differently.  It may seem difficult to detect a 1/4" difference in spark
> length, but the MMC consistently underperformed the Maxwell
> through all the test runs.
>
> Despite this difference (less than 1% in spark length), I find the
> MMC's to be convenient, small and lightweight, flexible, and low
> priced for small coils, and the performance is close to the Maxwells.
> Therefore the MMC's are a good choice for many coilers.
>
> Measuring spark lengths to within less than 1% is difficult, so
> perhaps other folks will do their own comparisons of this sort
> and report their results.  I reported the full specs of this Tesla
> coil a couple of weeks ago.
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
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