Re: Stop the nonsense

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Original poster: "rheidlebaugh by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <rheidlebaugh-at-zialink-dot-com>

A tesla coil is not a simple oscilator with contiouous AC power. It is a
pulse fed circuit. That is why a charge builds up on the toroid. If the
drive was pure AC of a balanced sign wave the use of a toroid would be a
waste of time.If you have an unbalanced + pulse a charge will build up on a
"ststic" charged surface and will grow with each pulse, just like a
VANDEGRAPH charging a sphere.an antenna sencing the wave shape using a scope
dosent see the DC part of the build up. You must use a space charge mesuring
detector to read the total charge. I don't hear anyone trying to measure
this level. Time after time I see postings of streamer size, but no one
measures the voltage of the static charge required to make that streamer. I
only see "OH goody Oh goody I got a big streamer".You get a sreamer when the
AC builds up a DC component to a point that the air breakes down and the
total AC & DC fires through the space of your play area.That is why most
TUBE tc are less impressive.Yes total power is less, But pure AC dose not
build up a charge.There must be a DC component to build a charge.BOTH !!!

> From: "Tesla list" <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:54:02 -0700
> To: tesla-at-pupman-dot-com
> Subject: RE: Stop the nonsense
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> Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:23:42 -0700
> 
> Original poster: "Malcolm Watts by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>"
> <m.j.watts-at-massey.ac.nz>
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> On 14 Feb 2002, at 11:27, Tesla list wrote:
> 
>> Original poster: "David Thomson by way of Terry Fritz
> <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <dave-at-volantis-dot-org>
>> 
>> Hi Marc,
>> 
>> Thanks for the encouraging view.
>> 
>> I'll wind a 13" three wire wye coil for anybody for $75.  This is very
>> reasonable considering the difficulty of winding a flat spiral.  Then you
>> guys can do all the testing and measuring you want.  The schematics for
>> using this coil are already posted on my web site.  I would just love to see
>> someone get some meaningful data concerning flat spiral secondaries.  It
>> would be great if all the characteristics of flat spiral secondaries can fit
>> into current models of coils.
>> 
>> Personally, I've tried all the inductance formulas and none of them match
>> the measured inductances of the coil.  I have gotten extremely high
>> electrostatic voltages from these wye coils by putting a strong
>> electrostatic capacitance on the terminal.  I have identified a clear
>> electrostatic potential between the space below and the space above the flat
>> spiral coil.  How many of you have a solenoid that shows a coil with one end
>> continuously at a negative potential and the other end continuously at a
>> positive potential (actually it might exist between the center of the
>> solenoid and the space around the outside of the solenoid?  Maybe somebody
>> could check this.)
>> 
>> The vector of energy in a flat spiral is clearly in one direction, from the
>> outside toward the center.  As far as I know, solenoids are RF all the way
>> through.
>> 
>> I'm with you Marc, I have shown the flat spiral coil has different
>> properties than a solenoid coil.  OK, so these guys don't like my c^2
>> theory.  Forget it.  Let them show me their theory based on actual
>> measurements and observations.
> 
> That strikes me as being a very fair comment. So fair in fact that
> I'm considering winding such a coil. First question: is it single
> layer? Please post the physical winding details so it can be
> duplicated. I will figure out the mechanics of winding it and when
> time permits, do so and do some measuring. I've already decided to
> wind a single wire job and run it as an extra coil as I described
> earlier - just to make an interesting magnifier if nothing else.
> 
> Regards,
> Malcolm
> 
> 
> 
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