Original poster: "Dave by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-uswest-dot-net>" <cherokeedave-at-optusnet-dot-com.au> can any one send me some info on where to get started you can send it to my email address so the list isnt cloged <mailto:cherokeedave-at-optusnet-dot-com.au>cherokeedave-at-optusnet-dot-com.au any help would be much appreciated Thank You Dave