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*To*: tesla-at-pupman-dot-com*Subject*: Re: Multiwound coil possibilities for Earth Resonance*From*: "Tesla list" <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>*Date*: Mon, 07 May 2001 12:38:17 -0600*Resent-Date*: Mon, 7 May 2001 13:13:25 -0600*Resent-From*: tesla-at-pupman-dot-com*Resent-Message-ID*: <CGNNSB.A.bG.GPv96-at-poodle>*Resent-Sender*: tesla-request-at-pupman-dot-com

Original poster: "harvey norris by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-uswest-dot-net>" <harvich-at-yahoo-dot-com> > Original poster: "Metlicka Marc by way of Terry > Fritz <twftesla-at-uswest-dot-net>" <mystuffs-at-orwell-dot-net> > > Ed P., Bill W., Harvey N., All > question for you and\or all SNIP > could you tell what would the impedance of the earth > be? if this 400uf > is correct then could we find the impedance by > taking the suggested 400 > micro farads and using a resonance of 12hz (as > harvey suggested)? or > 31hz. > what impedance would be needed for say: 42.8khz? > is there any other way to accurately find the > capacitance of the earth, > mechanically or physically? > would the capacitance value change at different > heights above sea level, > 1000' above SL, 2000' above SL. according to definition a sphere of .9 cm radius will equal 1 micro-micro or picofarad. What becomes problematic in these definitions is that there is NOT a linear relationship between amount of surface area and amount of polar capacity that the surface area will create. 2 pf as an isolated or polar capacity will not have twice the surface area of the 1 pf polar capacity anymore than a sphere of 2 cm radius will have twice the surface area of a sphere of 1 cm radius, rather the relationship is exponential, twice the polar capacitance will use 4 times the area ect. "A sphere having a radius of 1 centimeter, hung up in space at an infinite distance from any other conductor;has unit electrostatic capacity;so the capacity of spheres in electrostatic units can be given directly from their radii in centimeters. Consequently, a sphere having a radius of 9 times 10 to the 11th power cm has a capacity of one farad, and a sphere of 900,000 cm. radius equals one microfarad; hence some authors write 1 microfarad as 900,000 cm of capacity. This usage of the term capacity is used in that terminology in Tesla's day is as evidenced in the Colorado Spring Notes." Also, "The henry has also been called the quad, or quadrant because in the metric system a quadrant of the earthfrom the equator to the pole equals approximately 10^9 centimeters. Both terms mentioned above are now quite obsolete Earths~ radius = 6366 km = 6,366,000 m = 636,660,000 cm The ratio of 636,600/900= 703 times higher than a polar capcity of 1 uf, hence the earth if acting as a polished sphere would have ~ 703 uf capacity by polar capacity formula The dual plated concentric spherical capacitor formula is given by C= 4(Pi)Epsilon(0) *ab/(b-a) where b is the inner radius and a the outer and epsilon(0) is the permittivity of free space= 8.85 *10^(-12) C^2/N^2m^2, Since we have two different kinds of capacities I decided to compare the formulas for a for using a 50 pf inner sphere as an inner plate in the above formula and a 1 uf outer sphere of 9000 meters and the resultant answer still came to ~50 pf capacity between the plates using the second formula. Thus for wide separation of plates the polar capacity of the inner spherical plate can be estimated as the acting capacity. In the case of the earth and the ionosphere this implies a relatively close set of spherical plates so I guess the 703uf figure might be increased. We also might deduce that we only tap into only a small amount of the capacity by a grounding rod. In the case here the large (57-60 Henry)coils use ~.125 for 60 hz resonance. If this frequency were reduced to 12 hz, a five times lower frequency, the value of needed capacity to resonate would go up 25 fold to 3.125 uf. So if the blinking of grounded neons to the 60 hz resonant coils has any correlation to the earth resonant frequency, the earth might be acting as a one ended capacity of ~ 3uf instead of the postulated 400 uf as a practical real capacity. The blinking however might simply have something to do with grounding circumventing the voltage rise that enables the bulb to light in the first place... Since the electrical grid itself is grounded at center tap, supplying the resonance from a one ended grounded supply, and grounding the bulb between the voltage rise and the ground itself may only be circumventing the voltage rise, where it takes the charge time of voltage builup to accomplish the neon discharge, causing the blinking phenomenon to a grounded bulb. > building on the statements that bill wysock gives > about tests that have > been done, i would think that in order to do any > testing on our own, we > would need to know this information (C of the planet > and L of the > planet) so if anyone has a lead or some info to > build on Ed's 400uf, it > would be nice to start a database. > > > > > > In fact the ethos of teslas earth propagation > scheme > > > seems to be predicated on surface areas in high > > > frequency vibration, not low frequency > propagation. We > > > might consider higher harmonics to be a > possibility > > > however. But here is where the possibilities of > > > adhering to the original idea of using that > source > > > resonant earth frequency as a possibility should > not > > > be entirely dismissed. > > > > If you assume that Tesla's statement of > producing 100,000,000 volts > > between the ionosphere and ground, you come up > with some interesting > > results. At a frequency of 10 Hz the reactance of > a 400 mfd capacitor > > is of the order of 40 ohms If indeed we had both electrical connections to the imagined surface areas of a spherical capacitor of this size, the capacity would be much greater by relative distance of electrodes being small compared to the total radius. Even the massive surface areas alone allowing a conduction at those polar capacity levels would still only show a reactance of 40 ohms, but again the earth is not mettalic. and the reactive energy > required to charge it > > to 100,000,000 volts is of the order of > 250,000,000 Megawatts! (If I > > haven't slipped a decimal somewhere. Working on > an answer to Bill > > Wysock's last post and started these > calculations.) 250 million > > megawatts is a lot of power. That power is > required just to create the > > desired voltage difference, before anyone starts > to draw power at a > > remote site. If only 1% of it is lost to corona > and resistive losses in > > the coil, earth, and ionosphere circuit that still > represents a power of > > 2.5 million megawatts just to make up the losses > before anyone starts to > > draw power. I wonder if anyone has any idea of > where the good Dr.Tesla > > intended to get it? > > > > More later. Arithmetic checks invited. > > > > Ed Looks about right. I think that the only necessary demonstration needed here is a single wire delivery to earth, where it can be demonstrated that a load in that delivery will have more amperage than the line that delivers it. I do not think the capacity of the earth itself comes into that equation. I think (an elevated, referencing a different ambient ground potential)electrical supply itself may need to be ungrounded, and then a load placed on an current path to earth which is normally the ground path back to the source emf, but remains unconnected seems like the best possibility for me to try in this regard. The source of my emf, as I have mentioned is the ungrounded 3 phase AC 476 hz alternator that powering stages of LC resonant voltage rise to produce three 20 inch neon discharges as a DELTA load. If these were instead placed in WYE, a return wire path to ground could be made at the WYE midpoint. Even though the provision for obtaining the 4th return wire from the alternator stator was never made, we can assume that the "acting 3 uf" of the ground can supply the needed free electrons to oscillate with: which in turn will only operate if one of the phases producing neon disharge is reduced from its resonance, creating an unbalanced wye condition. Since it is known that lack of a return wire can limit 3 phased common line tied tank resonances from becoming fully resonant, it would seem that such a connection can reduce the total impedance of the circuits involved. This may be as simple as placing the bulbs in wye and grounding them at wye midpoint to see the effect. Because each of the three phases can use this 4th wire Wye in unbalanced delivery it seems also feasible to place another resonant LC circuit that resonates at 3 times the frequency of the inputing phases. This would consist of dual opposing LC series values where the completion of the bulb as the completion circuit to ground through the real resistances would make it an effective tank connection to ground. A lot of unknown and too far off list relevance here; HDN ===== Binary Resonant System http://members3.boardhost-dot-com/teslafy/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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