Re: Top-load-less TC

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Original poster: "albert hassick by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <uncadoc-at-juno-dot-com>

Hi Bart,  the large toroids consisted of a combination of the following
ducts.   4" and 6" flex aluminum.  And 3",4",5",6",8",10" stovepipe. Like
I say, no matter what topload, regardless of how large or small, my coil
can produce equal arcs.  In other words, if I put a peanut upon the top
of my secondary then I would get the same length arc from its beginning
as I would from a 6" aluminum duct toriod. I will simply end up with a
toasted peanut!  The coil parameters simply need adjusted to compensate
for the size, if any of the topload. Bart, here is where I leave off from
my reply to you and now turn my attention to other members of the
list.......  Hey, it already works for me,  I am no whiz at computer
programs or math, so you guys tell me what is going on here.  A lot of
measurements that some list members want to prove my findings I cannot
give, since I do not have access to all the test instruments that some
take for granted, nor am I completely certain of the means to apply these
requests to the instruments of measurement that I do have. Hey why not
build a carbon copy of my coil for yourself, and then you can see for
yourself the ability to get equidistant arcs from any topload simply by
fine tuning your coil. Then you will be able to tell if 'parasitic
capacitance' is the cause.  Maybe 'parasitic capacitance' is a virtue, in
that it enables one to adjust a Tesla for a variable topload.  Perhaps
'parasitic capacitance' can be construed as a means of really fine tuning
a Tesla to the earth.  Is that not possible?   Al.

On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 23:03:00 -0600 "Tesla list" <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
writes:
> Original poster: "Barton B. Anderson by way of Terry Fritz 
> <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <tesla123-at-pacbell-dot-net>
> 
> Hi Al,
> 
> I still would like to know the major and minor dimensions to your 
> "large"
> toroid. Most of the other
> top loads you identified are small and there will be very little 
> change
> between them. Even the 10"
> sphere is only 14pF minus secondary, ground, and nearby object 
> effects. So
> it's small as well. You
> didn't post your toroid dimensions and I'm curious if your toroid 
> is
> possibly too large (or too
> small).
> 
> I honestly don't believe your coil is an anomoly. It is also 
> possible that
> when you say "large
> toroid", we have something in mind like an 8" x 32" (edge to edge
> diameters) in our minds and it's
> really much smaller than this. Finding the proper toroid size takes 
> some
> time and testing to truely
> find it for your coil. It can be too small or too large. For myself, 
> the
> large toroid dimension is
> currently a missing piece of data.
> 
> Sorry to hear about your recent pc crash. Don't feel alone, I've 
> gone
> through several this year on
> 2 different pc's. I now keep the same info on both if one goes 
> down.
> 
> Take care,
> Bart Anderson
> 
> Tesla list wrote:
> 
> > Original poster: "albert hassick by way of Terry Fritz
> <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <uncadoc-at-juno-dot-com>
> >
> > Hi Bart,  The "spring" is a natural year round flowing earth 
> spring, it
> > is in the back acre of my house and it seemed a excellent place to 
> sink a
> > Tesla ground since the earth is always moist in that area and the 
> ground
> > is soft and facilitates easy placement of grounding electrodes.  
> The
> > primary tap is variable, and with this particular coil will vary 
> between
> > turns #6 and #9 of tube, dependant upon the Ctop, which can vary 
> from a
> > small 1/4" bolt with a toggle wing, to a large aluminum duct 
> toroid.
> > There is always some form of Ctop upon the secondary, and it 
> varies
> > between a small bolt/ aluminum pop cans, a 10" plastic hollow 
> ball
> > covered with aluminum 'duct' tape, or a large aluminum duct 
> toriod.  All
> > of these can be utilized to procure an equal size arc from the 
> secondary
> > coil by fine tuning the primary coil for maximum arc regardless of 
> the
> > topload.  Toploads are optional for this coil, which is why I am 
> puzzled
> > by list members saying that a extreme toroid is conducive to 
> maximum
> > output.  I have found that this is not the case at all.  Now 
> either my
> > coil is an anomaly, or all coils can be tuned to give equal spark 
> output
> > regardless of the topload.  Maybe a lot of list members just go by 
> the
> > computer designed topload and never really experiment to see what 
> a Tesla
> > can actually do with any given topload or no topload at all.  This 
> is
> > what I am trying to determine.   Hey I am no expert, I am just 
> reporting
> > my observations however clumsy they may seem.   Al.
> >
> > On Sun, 27 May 2001 15:25:06 -0600 "Tesla list" 
> <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
> > writes:
> > > Original poster: "Barton B. Anderson by way of Terry Fritz
> > > <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <tesla123-at-pacbell-dot-net>
> > >
> > > Al,
> > > Thanks for reposting these specs. Could you please elaborate on 
> four
> > > items:
> > > 1) The spring?
> > > 2) Where do you actually tap the primary for loaded and 
> unloaded
> > > Ctop?
> > > 3) If Ctop, type and size?
> > > 4) Without Ctop, where do you pull arcs from? (small gizmo I
> > > assume).
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bart A.
> > >
> > > Tesla list wrote:
> > >
> > > > Original poster: "albert hassick by way of Terry Fritz
> > > <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <uncadoc-at-juno-dot-com>
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 27 May 2001 03:03:51 -0400 albert hassick
> > > <uncadoc-at-juno-dot-com>
> > > > writes:
> > > > > Hi Scott, Barton.  Thanks for your interest!   OK, here 
> goes
> > > with my
> > > > > additional specs of the coil you requested.   Secondary:  
> 8"
> > > > > Quickcrete cardboard form, 24" tall, coated internally with 
> two
> > > > > coats of Minwax 'satin polyurethane' and sealed atop that 
> with
> > > > > 'Tiger hair fiberglass resin".  The exterior of the coil
> > > received
> > > > > three coats of said poly and was then wound with #18 super
> > > motor
> > > > > wire from the local motor shop, it was some kind of
> > > isopolyidamide
> > > > > or something motor winding wire and it was the best that 
> there
> > > is to
> > > > > be had.  The form was close wound for the first 22" and was
> > > then
> > > > > spiraled loosely for the last three turns to reach the top 
> of
> > > the
> > > > > form.  I guess about six pounds of wire on the form.  It 
> was
> > > then
> > > > > coated with said poly coating until the winding was smooth 
> and
> > > free
> > > > > of gaps.  I guess about 6 or seven coats of poly.    Ground 
> wire
> > > to
> > > > backyard
> > > > > spring:  1/4"od refrigeration tube layed next to a #4 
> aluminum
> > > THW
> > > > > single cable, both terminating in a 1/2" hard copper tube
> > > driven
> > > > > into the loose moist clay of a year round natural spring.
> > > Primary:
> > > > > Flat, 3/8"od copper tube. 14 turns total, 5/16 max. between
> > > > > turns.  Tuning: variable, dependant upon the use and type 
> of
> > > > > topload, if any.  Tuning can give the same spark length
> > > regardless
> > > > > of the size, construction, shape, or composition of the
> > > topload.
> > > > > Distance, inner turn of primary to secondary: slightly more 
> than
> > > 1".
> > > > >  Length of arc in free air: six to seven feet, and 
> approaching
> > > eight
> > > > > feet dependant upon weather. Spark length to grounded 
> object:
> > > four
> > > > > to six feet.  Also, please note: this coil can give the 
> same
> > > results
> > > > > if or if not connected to a ground poise for the secondary
> > > bottom
> > > > > terminal.    So, what is the verdict?    Al.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 22 May 2001 18:18:32 -0700 
> Scott.L.Hanson-at-seagate-dot-com
> > > > > writes:
> > > > > > There is nothing in your power supply or tank circuit that 
> is
> > > out
> > > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > ordinary, or would seem to have any affect on the 
> secondary.
> > > I
> > msnip...
> 
> 
> 
> 
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