Original poster: "by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <Kidd6488-at-aol-dot-com> For a Ground, you could have a wire, or small chain dragging on the ground. My grampa had a shocker made out of a model-T ignition coil, and did that for a ground. --------------------------------------- Jonathon Reinhart hot-streamer-dot-com/jonathon