RE: TC efficiency, was Math help...

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Original poster: "John H. Couture by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <couturejh-at-worldnet.att-dot-net>



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Subject: Re: TC efficiency, was Math help...


Original poster: "by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>"
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In a message dated 7/10/01 9:08:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
tesla-at-pupman-dot-com
writes:

> >
>  >When we say the TC efficiency can be about 90/95% what are the input and
>  >output conditions? Coilers talk about TC efficiencies but I have never
seen
>  >any published input/output calcs. In my TC Construction Guide page 14-4
I
>  >show a simple efficiency test I made with a small TC and the
input/output
>  >calcs were shown. Have any other coilers made these tests? The test
showed
>  >an overall efficiency of 56%. Larger coils have efficiencies much lower.
>  >What are the input and output calcs for the 90 to 95% efficiencies? How
do
>  >they relate to the overall efficiency? How do these 90/95% efficiencies
> vary
>  >with TC size?
>  >
>  >John Couture

John, all,

The 90 -95% figure is only for energy transfer from primary
to secondary for first notch quenching, not for overall TC efficiency.
Many coils quench on the 3rd notch, so the transfer efficiency may
be around 65% in that case.

Charging efficiency is often around 85% or so, and there's some
loss in the secondary.  This brings the overall efficiency down
to perhaps 50% for the overall TC for input vs output.  This is
ballpark.

This issue of efficiency for small vs. large coils has been discussed
previously on this list.  I would say that large coils are more
efficient than small ones, mainly because various transformer
% losses are lower in larger transformers.

John Freau

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John, All -

Do you or anyone else have tests with calcs to prove that large TC's are
more efficient than small ones?

Normally with electrical devices the larger the more efficient. However,
Tesla coils are not normal electrical devices. I believe this is why a clear
understanding of the differences between magnetic and electric circuits is
so important. These two types of circuits are often combined incorrectly
when discussing Tesla coils.

Efficiency and energy transfer involves losses, Ohms law, etc, in electric
circuits. Magnetic circuits have a different set of rules. The energy
transfer between the Tesla coil primary and secondary coils is a magnetic
circuit transfer and there are no magnetic flux losses. This is Faraday's
action or voltage at a distance with no conductors. Electric circuits
require conductors. Note that Hertz and Maxwell went way beyond the above
concepts using Hertzian waves with no conductors.

John Couture

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