RE: Superconductivity

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Original poster: "Pete Komen by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <pkomen-at-zianet-dot-com>

Hello Nele,

I want to see this!  I REALLY WANT TO SEE THIS!!  Let me stand way back.
Liquid oxygen to cool a spark gap!  Even things that don't ordinarily burn
well burn nicely in a pure oxygen atmosphere.  It might work but a failure
could be spectacular.  Even the concept of liquefied gas around a high
temperature plasma arc seems contradictory.

Look for http://www.frii-dot-com/~bsimon/backyard.html link to capacitor
discharge cannons for what is done with water.

This is not meant to be a flame.  The idea of cooling a spark gap with a
liquefied gas just strikes me as improbable but likely to yield interesting
results.  I want to see it but from a long way away.  If you try it,
videotape it.  It could be worth something.

Regards,

Pete Komen  :-)

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Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 7:59 AM
To: tesla-at-pupman-dot-com
Subject: Re: Superconductivity

Original poster: "Nebojsa Kovacevic by way of Terry Fritz
<twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <morfeus-at-EUnet.yu>

Jason,

Liquid nitrogen (N) boils at -195,8 degrees C, and it melts on -209,86
degrees. It is not the same thing which oxide you are trying to use; N2O,NO,
N2O3, NO2 and N2O5.
Liquid helium (He) boils at -268,934 degrees C, and melts at -272,2 degrees,
which is almost Absolut Zero. This is common gas used for
aircrafts(zeppelins), for preparing the artificial air which is used by
scuba divers(Brian will recognize this...), becouse helium melts in the
human blood in much lower % then the nitrogen from air(which is no matter
for us right now). So, it can be found on, let`s say, "market". It is used
in hospitals (and fortunate for me, my brother works in one...).
Off course, you can use one more gas-oxigen(O) It boils at -182,962, and
melts at -218,4 degrees C.
Helium and oxigen are not that danger which is very important for us. And
those gases also vaporize very fast when open the thermo tank, so the spark
gap should be closed in one. It needs very low voltage to break the spark
gap electrodes as my experimentation tells. It doesn`t supercool the
plasma-you can hardly expected to achieve absolut zero resistance(that`s
impossible-well, almost), but you can make your coil works more efficiently
then ever(however this is something which is not experimented yet)...

Regards,
Nele!
-----Original Message-----
From: Tesla list <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
To: tesla-at-pupman-dot-com <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
Date: Monday, July 02, 2001 4:42 AM
Subject: Re: Superconductivity


>Original poster: "Jason Petrou by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>"
<jasonp-at-btinternet-dot-com>
>
>Idea: Nitrogen quenches gaps well, does it not? yup! So, put the nozzle for
>your nitrogen tank between the gap, sop it sprays agross the gap. The
>nirogen coming out will be *very* cold as it removes energy from the
>surroundings to become a gas.. -186 to be precise. Now, you have a quenched
>supercooled gap. Alternatively you coudl use liquid helium, which boils
>at -192 - that would be even more effective!! If anyone has access to these
>gasses in cylinder form, try it and tell me how it went!
>
>Regards,
>Jason
>----- Original Message -----
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>To: <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
>Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 10:47 PM
>Subject: Re: Superconductivity
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>> Original poster: "Malcolm Watts by way of Terry Fritz
><twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <m.j.watts-at-massey.ac.nz>
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>> On 29 Jun 01, at 17:07, Tesla list wrote:
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>> > Original poster: "Nebojsa Kovacevic by way of Terry Fritz
>> <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <morfeus-at-EUnet.yu>
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>> > Malcolm,
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>> > The spark gao wont be eliminated. Tell me did you ever try to
>"supercool'
>> > the arc?
>>
>> Now that is a curious notion - how do you supercool something that is
>> running beyond the surface temperature of the sun?
>>
>> ;)
>> Malcolm
>>
>> > Nele!
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Tesla list <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
>> > To: tesla-at-pupman-dot-com <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
>> > Date: Friday, June 29, 2001 1:24 AM
>> > Subject: Re: Superconductivity
>> >
>> >
>> > >Original poster: "Malcolm Watts by way of Terry Fritz
><twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>"
>> > <m.j.watts-at-massey.ac.nz>
>> > >
>> > >Hi Nele,
>> > >
>> > >On 28 Jun 01, at 11:42, Tesla list wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Original poster: "Nebojsa Kovacevic by way of Terry Fritz
>> > ><twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <morfeus-at-EUnet.yu>
>> > >>
>> > >> 73
>> > >> After some time reading the people`s comments on the list, I realize
>that
>> > >> there is still one big problem in increasing the coils efficiency:
>> > everyone
>> > >> have to realize that the basic design of the coil didn`t change for
a
>> > really
>> > >> long time(don`t want to mention how long). I heard about problems
>with
>> > the
>> > >> top loads, conductors, primary power...... we have to move a bit
>further
>> > >> from where we are I think. After some researching I realize that we
>could
>> > >> build a whole new area of research in the field of Tesla coils. How?
>By
>> > >> using the superconductivity. With no looses at all!!!
>> > >> Recently, I have build some machines based on the principles of
>> > >> superconductivity, that works more than great, and are a scientific
>proof
>> > of
>> > >> what could be done with TC, if we use superconductors as a new
>> > technology.
>> > >> This field is very problematic, and it needs some argumented
>polemics.
>> > So,
>> > >> if anyone else on the list had some experiences with this, and want
>to
>> > open
>> > >> a new area of research, he is more then welcome.
>> > >>
>> > >> Kind regards to all,
>> > >> Nele!
>> > >
>> > >All your efforts with liquid nitrogen (helium?) will be in vain if
>> > >you don't eliminate the spark gap as well.
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>> > >Regards,
>> > >malcolm
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