RE: Chaotic Resonance(Solid State Coilers)

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Original poster: "John H. Couture by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-uswest-dot-net>" <couturejh-at-worldnet.att-dot-net>


That is correct. The input power of 3 KW was a continuous average and the
output power of 1700 KW was instantaneous. The instantaneous conditions
throws everybody for a loop but usually means the power is for a time peroid
of less than one second. In this case it would be for an effective 1/566
second which also took an efficiency into consideration. The two powers are
not the same amount (3 vs 1700) but both refer to electric power. Confusing
power and energy is how some people come up with over unit energy devices.

I did not say "generate more electricity" which would mean more electric
energy. I was referring to electric power not electric energy. Electric
power is like a force. Electric energy is like work. A force is required to
do work. Power is required to generate electricity or electric energy.

It should be noted that a Tesla coil produces electric power in a different
manner compared to an induction coil, flyback transformer, IF transformer,
etc, etc. Comments from coilers will be appreciated.

John Couture

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Subject: Re: Chaotic Resonance(Solid State Coilers)


Original poster: "Kennan C Herrick by way of Terry Fritz
<twftesla-at-uswest-dot-net>" <kcha1-at-juno-dot-com>

Yes, of course...energy.  But when someone says, "[T]hat circuit will
generate more
electricity than it uses by far.", that's when I start to resist
believing.  When you say, below, that someone got 1700 KW out from 3 KW
in, I think, perhaps, you are saying that they produced oranges from
apples.  The "power" in, very likely, was >average< while the "power" out
was >instantaneous<--or, at least, it occurred over a relatively short
time.  The two "powers" are not the same thing.

Ken Herrick


On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 19:34:41 -0700 "Tesla list" <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
writes:
> Original poster: "Terry Fritz" <twftesla-at-uswest-dot-net>
>
>
> Ken -
>
> You mean energy. A Tesla coil can produce more power out than power
> in but
> not more energy out than energy in. The equation is
>
>   Power = energy/time
>
> It is obvious that by reducing the time the power (out) will
> increase
> without a change in energy (in). In one of my books I show how three
> scientists built (1930's) a Tesla coil that produced a power output
> of 1700
> KW with only a power input of 3 KW or a gain of over 500 in power!
>
> This comes up periodically on the List.
>
> John Couture
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 4:55 PM
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> Subject: Re: Chaotic Resonance(Solid State Coilers)
>
>
> Original poster: "Kennan C Herrick by way of Terry Fritz
> <twftesla-at-uswest-dot-net>" <kcha1-at-juno-dot-com>
>
> I would remind the List that since the dawn of Science people have
> claimed they had machines that put out more power than they took in.
>  So
> far, no such claim has been validated.
>
> It might be prudent to treat any such present-day claim, and any
> data
> offered in support of it, with the utmost skepticism.
>
> Ken Herrick
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