Original poster: "by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <Winchandle-at-aol-dot-com> Go On Ebay, there are hundreds of trees. I bought 3: 2 ft, 4 ft and a green 7 ft. Will be trying one of them soon as a top load. Its conforting to think that I'm not the only one coming up with such insane ideas Merry electrical Christmas Bill Shepard