Original poster: "by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <rblaisdell-at-juno-dot-com> Thanks, I got a lot of the tar chipped off one of my 15kv magneteks. Now I am looking for some way of heating it up as I cant use my oven in the house, I saw someone throwing away an old smokey barbeque pit. I am going to pick it up before it goes to the dump. till next time, Peace, Ry