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RE: Tesla Coil ..Still Subject to Physics

You are right, Shannon would have enjoyed that thought. He had the
same discussion with John Von Neumann at U of I Urbana who indicated
that if he used "entropy" he would win all arguments because no one would
know what he was talking about. Seriously though, a Tesla coil is subject
to the laws of thermodynamics. We have discovered (as late as 1994) that
thermal, probabilistic, and algorithmic entropic distributions map to each
other
and in doing so have buried "Maxwell's Demon". A non trivial task!!!
 This can open doors for different modeling techniques and I suspect spark
discharge
might be the best place to start. Incidentally, before you accuse Shannon
of plagiarizing
you should realize that "entropie" or as we know it now entropy is
 the Greek word for transformation that Clausius "borrowed", hardly unique! 
Light hearted discussions of this nature are invaluable to discovery.
Cheers... John G

John W. Gudenas, Ph.D.
Department Chair of Computer Science and Mathematics
Aurora University, Aurora IL 60506
Office: 630-844-5539     Fax: 630-844-7830


<<<< As long as posts on the subject of "entropy" are related to Tesla
coils, they are ok.  However, "entropy" as a subject by itself will be off
topic. - Terry >>>> 



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Subject:	Re: Tesla Coil Operation - was "Harmonics"

Original Poster: "John H. Couture" <COUTUREJH-at-worldnet.att-dot-net> 


  John -

  I think that Shannon should have made up his own name for his Information
Entropy instead of plagiarizing Clausius's unique term. Shannon should have
used something like Mesatropy for "message entropy". Shannon should get a
laugh out of this. Also, how about Teslatropy for "Tesla coil entropy"?

   Teslatropy = S1 = Energy in/power in 
   Teslatropy = S2 = Energy out/power out

  The Teslatropy change = S1-S2

  With the Tesla coil process there will always be a net increase in
Teslatropy.

  John Couture

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At 02:18 AM 2/4/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Original Poster: "John W. Gudenas,Ph.D." <jgudenas-at-admin.aurora.edu> 
>
>I concur.
>There are many expressions of entropic functions
>from Kolmogorov to Shannon's Information Entropy to
>Clausius and classical thermodynamic systems. 
>Magnetic circuits certainly can involve complexity expressions
>that map to entropic distributions.
>It may be such (I am not sure) that a more complete model
>of a spark gap would involve fractal and chaotic behavior
>thus representing more of natures complexity.
>John G.
>
>