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RE: Series or Parallel resonant ? ( was: New pics and scope waveforms)
Hi Dale,
> Original Poster: Dale Hall <Dale.Hall-at-trw-dot-com>
>
> Hi Malcom,
> Thanks for your response.
> Please see my earlier reply to Richie's feedback.
>
> I disagree with your response:
> >The truth is that both
> >types exhibit a current maximum and a voltage maximum across
> >their individual components at resonance.
>
> I believe the essence of whether LC parallel components
> are series or parallel resonant depends upon where
> the source generator is in the circuit.
How one classifies the circuit depends on how one applies energy
to it, that I agree with. However, any tuned circuit has a circulating
current which is a maximum at resonance and byu Ohm's law, the
voltage across each individual component in it is a maximum also.
Series resonance: generator is part of the series LCR.
> All Rdc's are in series.
>
> Parallel resonance: generator is across "Both" L and C physically parallel.
> The generator sees L's resistance different than in the series model
> in that C is across the generator, L+RdcL is across the generator.
The generator sees the shunt impedance of the circuit in this case
whereas in series resonance, the generator sees the ESR.
> In this context, I stand by my original statements.
I must differ on the contention that voltage is minimum across a
parallel circuit at resonance.
> I agree this is all very confusing, I hoped to make it clear (?) sorry.
>
> There appears to be easy confusion stemming from components in parallel
> contrasted to how they are driven,
> generator in series with parallel components (Igen=max) or
> a generator driving across parallel components (Igen=min).
Agree
> In your radio set front end example
> assuming parallel resonance,
> the incoming signal (a generator) appears across both L & C at same time,
> the voltage must be minimum else the current couldn't be minimum
> to represent minimum load to the incoming signal at Fo.
Aha! Suppose the voltage was a minimum. The circuit would
present a near short circuit to the aerial. Aerial current is a minimum
as you say but the circulating current in the tuned circuit is a
maximum.
I agree with
> >the secondary is more driven at Fr than by an impulse,
> sorry if I was misleading....
>
> even the Primary simply and highly selectively at Fr extracts the
> fundamental
> of the square impulse provided by a spark gap switch.
> Current injected by the gap switch is accepted by the Pri LC sinusoidally,
> not as rectangular impulse, due to the frequency selectivity of the LC
> and that rectangular waves are composed of sinewaves which LC is able to
> isolate.
> The LC actually highly rejects all energy outside the fundamental resonant
> freq.
> High order harmonics see a very high impedance producing little current
> due to their divergence from the highly selective resonant frequency.
>
> Experiment: set up a lowZ (simulating Rgap) square wave generator driving
> a HI-Q toroid inductor and mica cap in series resonance.
> The fundamental sinewave provides most of energy at resonance benefiting
> from
> Vpk_fund = 4/Pi*Vpk_squarewave peak {flat top] amplitude !
>
> Placing a high value load resistor across LC demonstrates
> affects of De-Q'ing, equivalent series resistance, etc.
> simulating Spark loading, without sparking !
I think a resistor is a poor representation of an arc discharge as the
characteristic is wrong.
Regards,
Malcolm
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