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Re: Homemade stacked plate cap. *Need* a vacuum pump?




From: 	Alfred A. Skrocki[SMTP:alfred.skrocki-at-cybernetworking-dot-com]
Sent: 	Sunday, November 02, 1997 1:20 AM
To: 	Tesla List
Subject: 	Re: Homemade stacked plate cap.  *Need* a vacuum pump?

On Wednesday, October 29, 1997 8:26 PM Adam
[SMTP:absmith-at-tiac-dot-net] wrote;

> ... I considered building the rolled LDPE and Flashing capacitor, but this 
> too seemed cost prohibitive, primarly with regards to time and money 
> spent finding the right materials.  So, I have settled on the following 
> flat plate cap, to fit an existing rubbermaid container that I have 
> already (15"W by 21"L by 5"H - $4.99):
> 
> Dielectric:    25 layers of LDPE sheet (14.75" by 19.2") Each layer is
>                90 mils thick (3 * 30mils)  Total= 5 30mil sheets -at- 
> $12/sheet
> 
> Plates:        26 (12" by 20.2") pieces of Reynolds Heavy Duty Aluminum 
> foil,
>                Three inches will stick out each end of the capacitor for
>                connection to the buss wire.  $1.99 for one 50ft roll.
> 
> Fill:          2 gallons of Mineral Oil. $???
> 
> The plates will have a 1.375" border on each side, and 2" on the end that 
> does not connect to the terminal.  Thus, there is always at least 2" 
> distance from aluminum to aluminum without going through the PE sheet.  
> Total overlap area of the plates will be 12" by 15.2".  I have choosen to 
> use 90mil of PE, as I will be running at 12kV or 15kV input, and I only 
> want to build this thing once.  
> 
> My calculations tell me this cap will measure between 0.022 and 0.025 uF, 
> depending on whether I choose 2.0 or 2.2 for the dielectric constant of 
> PE. Total cost should be under $100.

Adam, unless you've already purchased the polyethylene, you may want to 
look into plexiglass as a dialectric - it has double the dielectric 
strength and a dielectric constant of slightly over 3, the big deciding 
factor would be it's power factor - if it is greater than that of 
polyethylene then it's a looser otherwise it may be cheaper and make a more
compact capacitor.

> OK, here's the dilemma: I have no vacuum pump, and I don't intend to buy 
> one.

A good source for a vacuum pump is to wait untill a neighbor throws out 
a refrigerator or an airconditioner and cut the two 1/4 inch copper pipes 
on it an remove all the motor electronics ie. compressor, starter 
capacitor, thermal switch and power cord.

> Is this going to be a big problem? Is there a way do get the air 
> bubbles out of the cap without one?  According to my Electromagnetics 
> Textbook, it would take 90,000V peak to punch through 90mil of 
> polyethylene.  Shouldn't I have enough of a saftey margin here that a 
> little air bubble isn't going to break the thing?

No, the ozone will slowly break down the polyethylene then arcing will 
occur!

> Also, wouldn't a vacuum pump just crush my rubbermaid box down and break the seal?

Yes,it probably would. Rubbermaid containers are too flexible to try 
pumping a vacuum in them.

> This thing is going to have a good 2" of airspace above it when I'm done
> (I could not find a box shorter than 5").

A simple way to eliminate bubbles without a vacuum pump is to mount the 
capacitor on it's side and then put it on a vibrator to shake the bubbles 
to the surface. BTW a 12 inch or bigger speaker driven at 50 watts or 
more from a signal generator feeding an amplifier with 50 to 400 hz. 
works great!

                               Sincerely

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