Re: Playing around

At 10:25 PM 7/17/96 -0600, you wrote:
>>>> Subject: Playing around
>>Subject: Re: Playing around
>>> Subject: Playing around
>From rwstephens-at-ptbo.igs-dot-netWed Jul 17 22:22:26 1996
>Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 21:20:20 -0500
>From: "Robert W. Stephens" <rwstephens-at-ptbo.igs-dot-net>
>To: tesla-at-pupman-dot-com
>Subject: Re: Playing around
>>>> Subject: Playing around
>>>From hullr-at-whitlock-dot-comTue Jul 16 22:08:32 1996
>>Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 09:27:49 -0700
>>From: Richard Hull <hullr-at-whitlock-dot-com>
>>To: tesla-at-pupman-dot-com
>>Subject: Re: Playing around
>>Tesla List wrote:
>>> >From chadwick-at-flash-dot-netMon Jul 15 22:53:21 1996
>>> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 23:07:08 -0500
>>> From: "Chad A. Madison" <chadwick-at-flash-dot-net>
>>> To: tesla-at-pupman-dot-com
>>> Subject: Playing around
>>> Well, just for hee hee's and ha ha's I decided to play with a 450 watt coil
>>> this afternoon.  Instead of your standard issue series spark gap, I strapped
>>> a Jacob's Ladder to it and took the shunt cap off.  Output with just the
>>> ladder was almost exactly the same (at the peak of the ladder) as with the
>>> .0056uf 40kvdc cap and 6-gap series spark gap.
>>> Has Chad discovered some profound new way to completely eliminate the need
>>> for a shunted cap?  Try it and see what results you encounter.
>>> Perhaps, in my somewhat inebriated state (four day vacation started today),
>>> I bore witness to an illusion.  But my brother-in-law was there too, and he
>>> agreed with me totally.
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>>There is nothing striking about your revelation.  The jacobs ladder is a 
>>single variable space gap.  At the top of the arc in the ladder your 
>>spaceing is at a maximum and this is where best output always occurs in a 
>>system.  This is due to the higher voltage allowed to charge the 
>>capacitor.  More energy, more spark.  Also this is the most damaging 
>>point at which to operate a coil and many neon transformers are taken out 
>>with overwide gap separations. 
>> This form of gap used to be used by old radio amateurs and is called a 
>>"horn gap"  It was also used as a safety type gap in early systems due to 
>>its natural tendency to ultimately self extinguish.
>>Richard Hull, TCBOR
>Richard, Chad, 
>As I read Chad's post I thought he meant that he had removed the 
>system storage/oscillator capacitor entirely , as well as the 
>standard oscillator 6 gap fixed spark gap, 
>and had strung merely a Jacob's Ladder gap in series with the neon 
>transformer and the primary of the Tesla coil, and then claimed that 
>when the Jacob's Ladder arc had reached the top, he was getting 
>streamer output from the Tesla secondary at that instant which was about
>the same as the system was capable of producing when wired as a 
>'normal' Tesla coil.  Is this correct Chad?

That is precisely what I was describing.

>If so, this shud not work!

I thought the same thing (although even when I am thinking I don't misspell
the word "should" :) ).  There IS absolutely no reason, whatsoever, for this
to work.  Unfortunately, in my case, it did.  That is why I wanted to know
if anyone else had witnessed such an anomaly.

>Confused by the description as presented, rwstephens
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