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dwp> (browsing thru some of the old files...)

RQ> ... and then commenting without firm documentation...

dwp> Electrical energy conducted thru the earth dissipates[1] rapidly.  
dwp> Sea water is not bad. Pure water/fresh water is lossy. Resistance 
dwp> of "soil" varies all over the lot. (pun.  ha.) Its relatively easy
dwp> to measure the resistance of any patch of soil.

dwp> [1]

dwp> By dissipates, i means loses energy, not just spreads out...

You learned this from AM radio theory I presume? 

SR> Studies and theories of earth resonances and lightning model...

dwp> Yep.  Model.  As used means "simplify reality to the point...." 

You are so very quick to side against this whole idea... Almost 
as if it threatened your well being.

SR> the earth as a large, negatively charged, perfectly conducting

dwp> Yep..   Thast the way they model it.  But it isn't.  

Do you see what I mean? Please present the data to support your 
view... Or is this simply a "radio" engineers "closed minded 
approach" that Mr. Tesla spoke of over and over. He warned time
and time again how wrong your ideas are.  

SR> sphere or surface covered by a thin dielectric layer (the 
SR> atmosphere up to about 30 mi.), followed by another conducting 
SR> layer (the ionosphere); essentially a giant capacitor

dwp> Yep.  A giant capacitor with one resitivep plate.

SR> The "resistance" of any particular cubic meter of soil doesn't 
SR> play much  of a role in the earth resonances that Tesla envisioned
SR> (that incidentally have been experimentally demonstrated - Schuman
SR> resonances I think? - by showing that the the atmosphere can be 
SR> used as a lossless waveguide). 

dwp> Yep.  I know all that.  Schuman resonances.  There are lotsa 
dwp> kinds of resonances.  Good ones (high Q) and bad ones (low q) 

Just like there are lots of engineers...

SR> And if the earth does indeed act as a perfectly conducting

dwp>        We know it is not.

Who are "We"?   What specific "data" are "you" working from?

dwp| The mesurements are not easy.  I listend to a description of 
dwp| one such set, at the second ITS Con.  They were working with 
dwp| good equipment, in a lab "near" WAshington DC.  They had good 
dwp| equipment, looking at Mag field.  Over a period of weeks, they 
dwp| eliminated one noise source after another.  Finally they
dwp| thought they had it down to "real" signals.  But they were 
dwp| supsicios of two: 25 Hz and another, i ferget.  May have been 
dwp| 30.0 or 15.0.  I think the exactitude of it made them suspicious. 
dwp| (there is no reason a globa resonance should be on an exact 
dwp| frequency in human derived units....) They finally found that by 
dwp| killing the air conditioning system it went away. Something about 
dwp| the movement of the sheet metal in the air ducts.

dwp| They were still puzzled by the 25H.0z.  So i told them to think 
dwp| about the AMTRAK NEC which runs trains to Washington on 25Hz.  
dwp| They seemed interested...

Oh you are soo brilliant!

Dr. Elizabeth Rauscher and William Van Bise were specifcally looking
at the fundamental excitatory modes of the earth with the T-1050 
field detector (Tecnic Research Laboratories, P.O. BOX 60788, RENO,
NV, 89506). They were well aware of the abundance of man-made signals
in the cavity. Their equipment was calibrated from .01 Hz to 300 Hz
with a sensitivity 10^-10 gauss (Low pass system) and from 1.0 Hz to
50 KHz at 10^-6 gauss sensitivity (High pass system), and they fully 
expected to encounter significant man-made noise. Special filters
were employed to screen the 60 and 50 cycle power grids. With their 
equipment they were not only able to differentiate between man-made 
signals (Russian "woodpecker" -at- 10 Hz, USA submarine communications 
from Project ELF) and those of natural origins (lightning, earthquake 
and volcanic), but they were able to make specific determinations 
about the waveforms that were EFFICIENTLY resonating in the cavity, 
both natural and man-made. The 28.25 Hz and 30 Hz peaks were surmised 
to be side lobes from Project ELF. They presented specific data on the
30 Hz signal; it was found in every data set (Seattle WA, Phoenix AZ, 
Vancouver BC, New Orleans LA, to name a few), not just data from one 
or two locations. The 30 Hz peak is man-made, it is also efficiently
exciting a naturally resonate mode. 

One set of data, from one location, had strong peaks at 17 Hz and
18.5 Hz, and these frequencies were determined to originate from 
an air conditioner compressor. That particular set of data was 
presented as being "typical", and the 17 Hz and 18.5 Hz peaks were 
highly localized. 

edited by Steven R. Elswick, 1988, published by the International
Tesla Society, ISBN 0-9620394-2-X; Chapter 3, pp34-69: "Fundamental
Excitatory Modes of the Earth and Earth-Ionosphere Resonate Cavity"
by Dr. Elizabeth Rauscher and William Van Bise.

I was there too. It is apparent that this presentation went right 
over your head, or, that you specificaly choose to utilize a 
selective memory to distort the excellent work that was presented 
by Mr. Van Bise to the group in attendance. I find this especially 
disturbing in light of the fact that several other papers of sig-
nificance were presented that included data that contradict your 
oft repeated statements that are quoted above. These same papers 
tend to support those statements of Tesla (repeated by Steve 
Roys). In particular I would refer you to the following papers 
that were presented at the same symposium: "Concerning Cavity Q" 
by James F. Corum Ph.D., Kenneth L. Corum, and Craig Spaniol PhD 
PE.; and "A Measurement of the Magnetic Earth-Ionosphere Cavity 
Resonances in the 3-30 Hz. Range" by John F. Sutton and the
above mentioned Dr. Spaniol. 

The bottom line here: I would tend to dismiss your interpertations 
as being selectively accurate. Or would it be more polite to simply
say that they are "opinions"? 

Richard Quick