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Re: how deep do the coilers prefer doing it? : )



Original poster: "Gerry  Reynolds" <gerryreynolds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Hi Dmitry,

Terry gave me some info and pictures of a stator with directions on how to measure the "span" that determines the width of the flat. If this picture isn't in the zip file he posted, I may be able to help. Yours looks like a 2 pole motor with what may be a capacitor driven "start coil" or a coil that is capacitor driven all the time (a run coil??). I cant see all of the winding from your picture. Maybe an end view that is on axis will help. Could you verify that you really meant a capacitor run motor and not a capacitor start motor. If a run type motor, it seems like there are two sets of coils each having two poles and each being driven all the time (just a with different phases). I dont know if this has an effect on being able to get sync operation, but someone may be able to answer this. If a capacitor start type motor, I'll try to help.

In leu of this, grinding two shallow flats and trying it may be a good approach and then increase the depth slightly and try again.

Gerry R.


Original poster: "Dmitry (father dest)" <dest@xxxxxxxxxxx>

Hallo.

yesterday i got a 1/2 hp, 2780 rpm capacitor run motor - you can see
some pics of it here - http://himplast.ru/father_dest/temp/370w/
this puppy has no "dead poles" at all, and was fully rewound by hands
of some drunk electrician % )))
i see that nobody on the list really know, how deep should one shave
that poor rotor down to perform so called "salient pole" conversion.
i mean nobody know any formulas, nobody can explain how wide exactly
should one cut that flats, nobody know how one could verify that
performed conversion was optimal in terms of lost torque and etc.
am i correct on this?
coz all that i can find in archives is something blurry like this:

"The info I supplied is more of a general guideline than anything --
you will inevitably see variations on the number of poles, etc."

"Maybe the flats should still be 3/4" wide like the 1750rpm motor, I
don't know.  There are various opinions."

"In other 3600 rpm cases I made the flats narrower, but the motors
seemed weaker.  But these were all different motors so it's hard to
judge."

does anybody know any real physics that stands behind all of this? what
should one monitor in process - input currents, any phase shifts,
something else?
or coilers prefer just to cut 1/3 of od and don`t want to know nothing
more? : )

p.s.

"If the cuts on the armature are sufficient, the motor will lock into
salient-pole mode at roughly 75 to 85% of full voltage."

i like this particular criterion, but what if the input current at 75%
would be 2 times (for example) more than at 90%? or say torque would
be 2 times smaller? then i`ll better go for 90% i think.

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