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Re: Primary coil configuration



Original poster: "D.C. Cox" <resonance@xxxxxxxxxx>


As you lower the coil it hits a peak point well before racing sparks start. Racing sparks start when the fundamental begins to split approx 5-10 degrees off the peak none-split value.

If anyone is interested they can contact me directly, give me their coil dia., and I can tell them based on all our experiments the exact value to use for optimum spark production. Then they don't hae to do anything in the line of experimentation.

There is just absolutely no reason to design a coil that will have racing sparks in the initial design. This data has already been compiled and is available from me.

Dr. Resonance



So you say to start with the secondary higher than the "correct" height,
and slowly lower it until a peak in spark length is observed?  I've not
tried that, but I wouldn't expect to see the spark length start to
decrease beyond a peak-point before getting racing sparks.

I will try this with my mini coil, and I promise to report the
spark-length vs. height results, conclusive or otherwise.

Regards, Gary Lau
MA, USA

> Original poster: "D.C. Cox" <resonance@xxxxxxxxxx>
>
>
>
> A properly designed coil does not produce racing sparks.  Setting the
> sec coil above the horizontal plane of the pri at the correct
> distance produces a correct design.
>
> When you approach the "racing spark" mode it's because you had your
> sec too low to begin with.  If you're doing a new design, start a bit
> higher than you expect and run it up and down with a simple screw
> type brass threaded thru a brass plate.  The screw is hooked to a DC
> motor with a flexible shaft drive --- Dremel tool or even a tight
> tygon tubing will work.  Run it slowly down until you can peak the
> spark.  Go down 1/2 inch below this amount to check for a longer
> spark and then raise it up again.  Now measure it.  This is the point
> at which you hit optimum spark output which is really what we are
> trying to do here in the first place.  Absolutely no need to produce
> racing sparks and then later elevate it.  Once the damage is done ---
> it's done and only rewinding will cure it to a "like new" state again.
>
> I've done this with many different sizes of sec.  For a 4 inch size,
> which is what the experimenter was using, approx 1.25 inches is
> perfect and will not produce racing sparks.  With a 6 inch size sec
> use 2.25 inches above the pri.  No racing sparks, no damage, and no
> --- running the sec any lower will not produce any output gains at
all.
>
> Dr. Resonance
>
>
>
> >Original poster: "Lau, Gary" <Gary.Lau@xxxxxx>
> >
> >Increasing the coupling until racing sparks occur, then backing off,
is
> >the only way I have ever heard of to set the coupling.  Since the
exact
> >mechanism responsible for racing sparks is still unknown, we are
unable
> >to predict the coupling threshold at which they'll occur.  As setting
> >the coupling much lower than that threshold will degrade performance,
we
> >strive to keep it as high as possible.  Some may consider it
"horrible
> >engineering", but it's the best that can be done.   How do you
propose
> >to determine that threshold without ever crossing it?
> >
> >I agree that running a coil with racing sparks with reckless abandon
> >will permanently damage the secondary, but I think most of us have
> >briefly coupled too high, seen the sparks, backed off, and have had
no
> >further trouble.  Or are you suggesting that a brief racing spark
will
> >permanently lower the critical coupling threshold?  An interesting
and
> >reasonable suggestion, but very difficult to prove.
> >
> >I don't know that it's ever been conclusively demonstrated that any
> >secondary sealing technique will render it invulnerable to racing
> >sparks.
> >
> >Regards, Gary Lau
> >MA, USA
> >
> > > Original poster: "D.C. Cox" <resonance@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > > Someone advocated adjustment until racing sparks occur and then
> > > backing off. This is horrible engineering.  Once a spark punctures
a
> > > solid insulation it does not "cure" or repair itself.  Once the
> > > damage is done it is permanent unless the coil is rewound.  You
can
> > > back off the coupling to reduce sparkover, but then you always
have a
> > > weakest link in your coil system. Properly sealing the sec coil
and
> > > then not puncturing it will produce a long lasting coil.
> > >
> > > Dr. Resonance
> >
> >
>
>