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Re: x-ray transformer questions



Original poster: "Jack Vandam" <snotoir7674g-at-mindspring-dot-com> 

Hi Bert,

Thanks for the interesting link!  I may try to contact that person if his
email is still valid.  Now all I have to do is find out what phase this unit
is.

The pcb tests look interesting and it may be worth opening the case to
extract a small sample of the oil to perform the tests.

Thanks,
Jack

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tesla list" <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
To: <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: x-ray transformer questions


 > Original poster: "Bert Hickman" <bert.hickman-at-aquila-dot-net>
 >
 > Hi Jack,
 >
 > It's too bad it's not a GE X-ray transformer, since NONE of GE's X-ray or
 > medical transformers ever contained PCB's. Also, your X-ray repair tech
 > appears to be correct - see the following thread for some more interesting
 > information:
 > http://www.industrycommunity-dot-com/myforum/mike_gray/messages/41.html
 >
 > Check the Pupman Tesla List archives for "PCB's" - you'll find a number of
 > posts that mention some simple tests for PCB's (does the oil burn or does
 > it float on water? If so it's not PCB's). The odds are fairly good that
 > your transformer contains mineral oil.
 >
 > Best regards,
 >
 > -- Bert --
 > --
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 > Tesla list wrote:
 >
 > >Original poster: "Jack Vandam" <snotoir7674g-at-mindspring-dot-com>
 > >Thanks for the info.  Unfortunately, I wouldn't be able to obtain the
 > >measurements you speak of without opening up the transformer.  Not
knowing
 > >for sure whether or not PCBs are present, it's going to stay closed until
I
 > >find out for sure.  However, I will save this info for future reference
in
 > >the event I do open up the transformer.
 > >Jack
 > >----- Original Message -----
 > >From: "Tesla list" <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
 > >To: <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
 > >Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 1:47 PM
 > >Subject: Re: x-ray transformer questions
 > >
 > >  > Original poster: "Dr. Resonance" <resonance-at-jvlnet-dot-com>
 > >  >
 > >  >
 > >  > Most of the larger units, such as yours, have a 7.5 - 10 kVA core.
 > >Measure
 > >  > your core dimensions and I can give you a better estimate.  Core
cross
 > >  > section is one of the most important factors with regard to the
magnetic
 > >  > flux.
 > >  >
 > >  > The 7.5 - 10 kVA rating is approx 75% duty cycle but can be exceeded
for
 > >  > short periods of time such as charging up large Marx bank caps, etc.
 > >  >
 > >  > If you plan to run it constant, they you would be wise to operate at
5-6
 > >kVA
 > >  > as a maximum.
 > >  >
 > >  > The reason the power levels are not specified is because different
types
 > >of
 > >  > buck/boost reactors (external) were used with these xmfrs, so ratings
 > >depend
 > >  > on heat rise vs. time.  You could determine the proper rating by
operating
 > >  > the xmfr in sec short circuit condition and carefully monitoring the
core
 > >  > temp with a thermister.  Many modern multimeters have these probes.
 > >  >
 > >  > Core temp vs. time will give you a reasonable estimate of how much
power
 > >you
 > >  > can operate at.  Core temp should not exceed 180 degrees F. (max) for
most
 > >  > applications.  You can carefully dry off a section of core and wipe
clean
 > >  > with a solvent.  Then, using conductive epoxy, attach your
thermister.  Be
 > >  > sure to keep this conductive epoxy away from the HV coils.
 > >  >
 > >  > Keep the core temp below 175 degrees F. with long run times and you
should
 > >  > be ok.
 > >  >
 > >  > This was our approach on a large X-ray xmfr we used to charge a 100
kV
 > >Marx
 > >  > bank.  It worked out to approx 12.5 kVA for short duty cycles less
than
 > >25%.
 > >  >
 > >  > Be extremely care --- these things are killers.  We attached a large
red
 > >  > rotating beacon to one side of the 220 to ground (120 VAC) so the
beacon
 > >was
 > >  > on any time HV was on.  Use a relay so it will energize as soon as
your
 > >  > control circuit applies any voltage to the primary of the xmfr.
 > >  >
 > >  > Dr. Resonance
 > >  >
 > >  >  >
 > >  >  > Tonight's questions concern a Westinghouse x-ray transformer.
There
 > >are
 > >  > two
 > >  >  > things I'm wondering about with this unit: its specs and input/
output
 > >  >  > information.
 > >  >  >
 > >  >  > Here's what's on the label:
 > >  >  > cycles 50/60
 > >  >  > wiring 3D 8939
 > >  >  > style 981928
 > >  >  > Volts AC, KVA, and Amps are all blank.
 > >  >  > Under the word "Westinghouse", there are the following tiny
numbers:
 > >  > 36233-D
 > >  >  >
 > >  >  > Can anyone figure out the complete specs with this info?
 > >  >  >
 > >  >  > Now for the input connections:
 > >  >  > XFL, XFC, XFS, G, MA, A, AA
 > >  >  >
 > >  >  > Input hookup info?
 > >  >  >
 > >  >  > And, finally, there are two high voltage recessed terminals.  One
has a
 > >  >  > single center conductor; the other side has three (their
purpose?).
 > >The
 > >  >  > diameter of the sockets is 1.25".  I did manage to obtain some
high
 > >  > voltage
 > >  >  > cable at one point, but the end diameters are too large.  I'm
 > >considering
 > >  >  > making new ends out of epoxy or if I could obtain the correct size
 > >cable
 > >  >  > economically, I would go with that.
 > >  >  >
 > >  >  > Dimensions are about 13.5x17x15 inches and it must weigh at least
250
 > >lbs
 > >  > I
 > >  >  > would guess.  Not sure what I'm going to use it for, but my
purpose
 > >right
 > >  >  > now is to just find out about it and get it going, using an
appropriate
 > >  >  > variac for current limiting of course.
 > >  >  >
 > >  >  > If anyone has any info on this or a similar unit, I would
appreciate
 > >your
 > >  >  > sharing of it.
 > >  >  >
 > >  >  > Thanks,
 > >  >  > Jack
 > >  >  >
 > >  >  >
 > >  >  >
 > >  >
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