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From: 	DamDeName-at-aol-dot-com[SMTP:DamDeName-at-aol-dot-com]
Sent: 	Wednesday, November 19, 1997 2:36 AM
To: 	tesla-at-pupman-dot-com
Subject: 	Re: RE-  Dielectric Constants and Breakdown Voltages (fwd)

Hi Robert,
     
      In addition to private e-mail i feel it appropriate 
to respond to a point or two concerning the purpose(s)
of this list --- 
      i feel that the purpose of communication on this list
is the free exchange of ideas in the direction of
education AND fun-- fun fun !!      
     I (and probably a few others ) have considered 
using the readily available cola bottles as energy 
storage devices ---- I for one , did not know the 
chemistry of mylar  &  why it wouldn't work ---
that question was not answered in ur response.
     You seem to have the belief that the dielectric
strength of a material is not an important design consideration 
in the construction of  energy storage devices --- I must 
take issue with this bit of silliness -- (nuff said )
      If you desire to help people on this list -- answer 
their questions --- don't up-braid them --- we all 
had enough of that crap in school .
      
Respectfully,
                    Sandy
     

in a message dated 97-11-16 02:00:43 EST, you write:

<< Subj:	  RE-  Dielectric Constants and Breakdown Voltages (fwd)
 Date:	97-11-16 02:00:43 EST
 From:	tesla-at-pupman-dot-com (Tesla List)
 To:	tesla-at-poodle.pupman-dot-com ('Tesla List')
 
 
 From:	Robert Michaels [SMTP:robert.michaels-at-online.sme-dot-org]
 Sent:	Thursday, November 13, 1997 12:07 PM
 To:	tesla-at-pupman-dot-com
 Subject:	RE-  Dielectric Constants and Breakdown Voltages (fwd)
 
         Ach du Liebe!  Gott im Himmel!
 
         Are you interested in Tesla-coiling, or in making fruit
         salad -- I mean you've got a really good mixture going
         there: grapes & grapefruit; apples, oranges & an orangutan.
 
                                 - - - - - - -
 
         The puncture voltages given in published tables are for
         dc -- as in  =direct current=.   Men and women do not
         behave alike, and dc and ac do not behave alike.  Trust
         me on both accounts.  A 250,000-v. Van DeGraaff generator
         does not perform like a 250,000-v. Tesla coil.  Really.
 
                 Nor either is Tesla's polyphase ac system of
                 power generation and distribution like Edison's
                 dc system.   Dc and ac are different -- as
                 different as male and female (even if it isn't
                 politically-correct to say that anymore).
 
         So,  =lose=  the  -at-$%#-at-^-at-!!&^&%$   puncture voltage tables
         unless you have one assuredly made with Tesla currents
         (and then I'll want to know the frequency of those
         Tesla currents)!
 
                 If you're overtaken some dark night with
                 an irresistible urge to post a puncture-
                 voltage table to a mail list -- post it
                 to the High-Voltage List.  That is where
                 dc calls home.
 
                 This in the interest of logic, staying on
                 topic, and not misguiding the uninformed
                 (a multitude, as it would seem).
 
                                 - - - - - - - -
 
         You write "I recall some comment that Mylar is not good
         for caps ..."
 
         That's like "recalling" some "comment" that Thou Shalt
         Not Kill.
 
         This is not a "comment".  It's a Commandment --
 
         11.  Whomsover shall employ any polyester capacitor
              in any Tesla coil, so also shall remorse be
              visited upon him and upon his circuits, forever,
              and forever, and forever (or, at least until
              he gets rid of the damn polyester) - Amen.
 
 
         It has thus been written:
 
               --------------------------------------------------
 
                 If anyone offers you a polyester capacitor
                 (or leisure suit) -- run a mile.
 
                                 (Gospel according to Michaels)
 
               --------------------------------------------------
 
 
                                               Keeping the faith
                                               (and the physics),
                                                -- in Detroit, USA
 
 
                                               Robert Michaels
 
 
 
 
 
 
 TL>From: DamDeName-at-aol-dot-com [SMTP:DamDeName-at-aol-dot-com]
 TL>Subject: Re: Dielectric Constants and Breakdown Voltages (fwd)
 
 
 TL>Hello all,
 TL>   With regard to the puncture voltage an dielectric
 TL>constant of mylar -- 7500 v ? (not 750 v ? )
 
 TL>   In either respect --- I recall some comment
 TL>that mylar was not good for caps for T.C. service --
 TL>if  this is so (meaning my memory is not failing me) :>)
 TL>howcome ??? --- It seems worthwhile esp.if the 7500
 TL>V/mil is accurate ---
 
 TL>regards,
 TL>                 Sandy
 
 
 
 TL> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
 TL> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 19:32:37 -0700
 TL> From: Ken & Pat Prentice <prentice-at-sympatico.ca>
 TL> To: tesla-at-pupman-dot-com
 TL> Subject: Dielectric Constants and Breakdown Voltages
 
 TL> Good day Ladies and Gentlemen
 
 TL>      I'm new and have been lurking for some time.. and thought that this
 TL>might help as a quick reference... I found this in one of the old
electronic
 TL>mags.  (set your font Courier to see this properly)
 
 TL>    INSULATOR              DIE..CONST.    PUNCTURE VOLTS/0.001 inch
 TL> ==================================================================
 TL> Air.................................1.0.........  30
 TL> Window Glass........................7.8......... 200
 TL> Polyethylene........................2.3......... 450
 TL> Paper (bond)........................3.0......... 200
 TL> Polycarbonate (Lexan)...............2.9......... 400
 TL> Teflon..............................2.1.........1000
 TL> Polystyrene.........................2.6......... 500
 TL> Epoxy Circuit board.................5.2......... 700
 TL> Pyrex................................4.8......... 335
 TL> Plexiglas...........................2.8......... 450
 TL> PVC (rigid type)....................2.9......... 725
 TL> Silicone RTV........................3.6......... 550
 TL> Polyethylene Terphthalate (Mylar)...3.0.........7500
 TL> Nylon...............................3.2......... 407
 TL> Mineral Oil, Squibb.................2.7......... 200
 TL> Shellac.............................3.3......... 200
 
 TL> All measured at 1 MHz
 
 
 
 
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